Earlier in the month a customer was killed in the parking lot.
www.wral.com/news/news_briefs/story/8173961/
What would you have done if you were there?
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Earlier in the month a customer was killed in the parking lot.
www.wral.com/news/news_briefs/story/8173961/
What would you have done if you were there?
If I knew that earlier in the month somone was shot in the parking lot, I would not be at the restaurant in the first place. Even though I would be an off duty L.E. and carrying concealed, if I was there with my family having dinner I would give them my money and be a good witness unless I was forced into something that was worth risking the life of my family over. Too many unknowns in the scenario and it would be up to the individual who was there in the circumstance to decide.
That's what I would do also.
weird...i ate at a red lobster one time when i was a kid...later that night...after we had left...two guys pulled out guns...forced everybody into the big freezer(s) and took all the cash
don't know if they ever got caught
Is it a felony to carry in a restaurant that serves liquor in NC?
Misdemeanor; and it's any place where alcoholic beverages are sold and consumed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha Sierra
This is a tough call. On one hand I want to relax and let them take the money without creating danger for the other patrons but on the other I want to show them that crime does not pay.
A fellow forum member and I enjoy eating at a Mexican restaurant after a few rounds at the nearby range. Early this year there was a robbery at the restaurant (link to story with pictures of robbery taking place)
Many thoughts run through my head when I see these pictures because I have sat in the booths behind the men. If I had the opportunity to stop them but stood by while they pulled the trigger I would definitely feel some guilt for not taking action.
I think they got the idea from Pulp Fiction.
My philosophy is that the longer you wait, the worse it gets. So my inclination is to take action asap. Of course my preferred course of action would be to run away, if possible. But note that it is not exactly a rare event for ghetto perps to shoot robbery victims after the robbery is complete, apparently just for fun.Quote:
"They robbed everybody in here," the caller said. The suspects made off with cash and cell phones from both employees and customers, as well as the contents of cash registers, the caller told dispatchers.
This happened in my first-due EMS district, FWIW.
Having been in that building before, and assuming the robbers came in the front door, I'd try to escape out the back through the kitchen if I thought something bad was about to go down.
If you weren't able to e/e in this situation, I think you've got to hand over your money and keep a low profile unless they begin shooting first. It is not at all uncommon in Durham to have robberies with unloaded weapons or replicas/pellet guns, etc and I wouldn't want to engage 3 armed men unless I KNEW lives would be saved. Be a good witness, try to get plates on the car, note direction of travel.
It's funny, when I first watched the Magpul Dynamic Handgun DVDs, I thought, "All this 'If you're being held at gunpoint, do this, not this.' is silly. The only place that's going to happen is in a bank, where I am not legally allowed to carry anyways." The fact that this happened in an area where I frequently go out to eat, shop, go bowling, etc. was very much an eye-opener, and I would certainly not consider myself ignorant of the bad stuff that goes on in the world.
Carry in NC restaurants that serve alcohol for consumption on the premises is a no go. I need to re-read the statute, if it really is a misdemeanor that may change some things.
What it means is that your permit isn't valid inside said establishment and you would be carrying an illegally concealed firearm; which is a misdemeanor in NC for the first offense, felony for second or more.Quote:
Originally Posted by ghettomedic
Was this a special edition model I missed out on?Quote:
The men were carrying "silver Glocks with black handles," the caller said.
I think the hard thing to decide is whether to be proactive or reactive in situations like this. Probably difficult to tell whether they intend to shoot someone or not. Possibly not in a robbery situation where there are tons of witnesses, but who knows.
Another highlight:
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She said one suspect had cornrows and another had his hair in twists. The trio referred to each other as "Cuz."
I would respectfully say that although I understand having this thought cross your mind, I would be careful about making statements like this on an open forum. Your only legal reason for use of deadly force would be to stop an immediate threat of great bodily injury or death. Again, no disrespect intended.Quote:
I want to show them that crime does not pay
I understand what you are saying but that was not my intent. If the perp has a gun then the need to use deadly or equal force has already been established.Quote:
Originally Posted by terrymo
Ah yes, Durham. Still on my list of places to avoid.
Keith
My issue with waiting to see what happens is if they collect from the customers and find a badge or gun on me, I'm toast, most likely.
If it heads that direction and I get the chance, have to try to drop them.
No opportunity, just ride it out.
Excellent point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julian
Agree with Julian. So many possibilities with family, etc. But bottom line is I don't believe in putting my life in the hands of someone that lives on a level where they would take over a restaurant in an armed robbery.
Try to stay out of the "corner" and deal with it appropriately if I end up in that "corner" anyway.
While I am not up on the nuances of NC law... Generally, when someone points a firearm at another and demands the "huggies and the cash" that IS "an immediate threat of great bodily injury or death".Quote:
Originally Posted by terrymo
That's what makes it a robbery... :rolleyes:
3 things I probably wont do if I have any other option;Quote:
My issue with waiting to see what happens is if they collect from the customers and find a badge or gun on me, I'm toast, most likely.
If it heads that direction and I get the chance, have to try to drop them.
No opportunity, just ride it out.
Stand by while great bodily harm is visited upon others, or a situation is escalating to such a point.
Lay down on the floor.
Allow myself to be searched. If I can dig in my own pocket and give up the cash OK, but searching me will be a no go.
Good rule of thumb.
Several years ago we had a bank robbery here. Lined up all the employees on the floor and without provocation, shot them all in the head.
Had another Knight's Inn robbery. The clerk gave all they wanted. Nice fellow too. They kneeled him on the floor and shot off the top of his head. Seems they had made a pack when they escaped from prison to kill all the contacts they while traveling north. regardless of issue.
My future will be determined by me, if I have any say in the matter.