Windham SRC-308 or Armalite DEF10 AR-10?

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03-10-16, 20:26
azeriosu85

Windham SRC-308 or Armalite DEF10 AR-10?

Looking at both of these. They both come in at about $1000. BOTH use SR-25 style mags. Looking for something to fill the role of a PTR-91. I'm leaning towards the Windham, as I like the barrel profile a tad better, the front gas block is same height, the QD socket is nice, and the it appears more..."tank like". The upper receiver difference between the two is pretty striking. Although the Armalite might be easier to add rails too since the gas block is lower....

Anyone with first hand accounts of either?

Armalite:

https://armalite.com/files/2015/03/DEF10.png
Caliber 7.62X51 mm / .308
Barrel 16" double lapped, chrome lined / chrome moly
Mid-length gas system
Rifling Twist 1:11.25” RH
Muzzle Device Flash suppressor
Front Sight Base MIL-STD 1913 rail gas block. Top of gas block is .398 (+/- .010)
Handguard Standard 8"
Stock 6-position collapsible
Upper Receiver Forged flat-top receiver with MIL-STD 1913 rail and forward assist 7175-T74 aluminum
Lower Receiver 7175-T73 aluminum (forged)
Trigger Single-stage
Charging Handle Standard
Finish Anodized aluminum upper/lower receiver, manganese phosphated steel barrel
Overall Length 35.0" / 38.3"
Weight 7.9 lbs.
Included One 20-round Magpul Pmag, owner’s manual
Warranty Limited lifetime warranty

Windham:
http://14544-presscdn-0-64.pagely.ne...ponry-.308.jpg
03-11-16, 02:08
Benito

I have the Aramlite AR-10A DEF10 (technically mine is a different model #, but the exact same configuration prior to the name change).
So far so good. I like it. It's not a precision rifle, that's for sure, but then again I have only run bulk ammo through it. Also, the barrel profile is pretty darn light.
For blasting .308 within 300 meters, it does the job. No failures so far.

I have no experience with the Windham. The barrel profile is thicker, so maybe it would be more precise, who knows.

All I know is that one of the first things I would ditch is the gas block on both. **** railed gas blocks.
03-11-16, 04:19
JC5188

I also went ArmaLite.

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03-11-16, 17:38
Ron3

The DEF10 does have a lightweight profile barrel and I really like it!

Very handy. I've felt plenty of 5.56 AR's that were muzzle heavy and sluggish in caparison.

All I've done with mine is fit a magpul MOE mid-length hand guard and some of their rail pieces on it, an MOE grip, add a sling and a 1-3x scope to it. Oh, and a medium "gunfighter" charging handle.

I learned with previous .308 rifles that nearly all .308/7.62x51 "M80", "Nato spec", etc. 147 gr FMJ ammo is just machine gun ammo meant to be spat out of same. It's all 3-5 MOA stuff.

The furthest out I've fired my DEF10 was from a sandbag to 200 yds. It puts five shots under four inches at that range with good ammo. (Factory hunting and "match")I'm no great rifle shot and I was using a 3x20mm scope. AND mediocre "GI" trigger AND had a wobbly M4 telestock, too. There is plenty left in the gun I could be taking advantage of. I since tightened up the stock using the duct tape method, installed a better trigger, too. But I've only fired it at close range since those mods.

I've had zero malfunctions. (I've fired quite a bit of JSP's through it, too) I've only used 20 and 25 rnd Pmags.

I'd wager the Windham Weaponry rifle is just fine, too.

I don't plan on doing anything with the railed gas block or A2 FH. If I ever decided to go to a one-piece handguard I'd replace it with a low-profile gas block.

I wanted a reliable, reasonably accurate .308 AR for close to medium range use that wasn't heavy or bulky and this 16-inch DEF-10 is just that.
03-11-16, 23:06
HCM

One of my work teammates bought a Windham last year. For the $$$ it's a great rifle. it will do 2 MOA with ZQI ball ammo from walmart - better with good quality ammo. Only reliability issue has been with a suppressor - Windham recommended an adjustable gas block.

He has the version with a factory installed low profile gas block and a 15" MI rail.

I have an older Armalite, a 1990s vintage, M14 mag version. Great gun. The guns been back to the factory for upgrades twice over the years. Armalite customer service has been great as well.
03-11-16, 23:28
sinister

This is an older AR-10 carbine with the GI M14-ish profile barrel. It shot pretty well, even better now with a match barrel.

http://i47.tinypic.com/15gwgp3.jpg
03-12-16, 22:17
HCM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sinister

This is an older AR-10 carbine with the GI M14-ish profile barrel. It shot pretty well, even better now with a match barrel.

http://i47.tinypic.com/15gwgp3.jpg

Unfortunately both Larue and DD have discontinued the Armalite 1913 rails. MI, Centurion and Wilson all offer Armalite pattern FF handguards.
03-14-16, 11:16
HCrum87hc

Quote:

Originally Posted by HCM

One of my work teammates bought a Windham last year. For the $$$ it's a great rifle. it will do 2 MOA with ZQI ball ammo from walmart - better with good quality ammo. Only reliability issue has been with a suppressor - Windham recommended an adjustable gas block.

He has the version with a factory installed low profile gas block and a 15" MI rail.

I have an older Armalite, a 1990s vintage, M14 mag version. Great gun. The guns been back to the factory for upgrades twice over the years. Armalite customer service has been great as well.

My buddy also has the Windham with the MI rail and 16" barrel. It's run flawlessly so far. He put a Lantac Dragon and an MFT stock on it, and it shoots like a completely different rifle.
03-14-16, 17:19
Benito

Quote:

Originally Posted by HCM

Unfortunately both Larue and DD have discontinued the Armalite 1913 rails. MI, Centurion and Wilson all offer Armalite pattern FF handguards.

There's also Armalite itself, which has introduced several free-floated KeyMod handguards for their AR-10s, which don't look too bad.
A member here posted a thread about it a bit ago. I'll try to find it.
03-14-16, 22:18
nick84

I own an older Armalite. I shot it quite a bit, it had a short barrel and brake on a SS barrel. I bought it secondhand, so no telling what it had done, but it never fouled up for me. Eventually I sold the upper, and bought a 21" N6 upper to put on, but the lower has continued no signs of trouble. My only gripe is that I wish it had the more common SR25 magazine pattern, but that doesn't really apply here.

No experience with the Windham. Best of luck.
06-07-16, 21:37
azeriosu85

final bump.

I have an opportunity to get a CMMG MK3 SBR for about $1200 but wanted to check in one more time
06-07-16, 22:10
Benito

Armalite AR-10A. Every. Single. Time.
In its price range, there is no .308 AR that even comes close.
06-08-16, 08:07
JC5188

My answer hasn't changed. Neither has my rifle.

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06-08-16, 09:32
Ron3

Next time there is a deal on the def10 I'd like to get a second one and sell all my 5.56 stuff.
06-08-16, 11:05
JC5188

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron3

Next time there is a deal on the def10 I'd like to get a second one and sell all my 5.56 stuff.

I'd keep a 5.56 variant personally, just for ammo prices. That's why I have mine. The big boy cost a shatload to feed on a regular basis.

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06-08-16, 11:25
Ron3

Quote:

Originally Posted by JC5188

I'd keep a 5.56 variant personally, just for ammo prices. That's why I have mine. The big boy cost a shatload to feed on a regular basis.

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I haven't been shooting my ar's much lately, just a few hundred rounds a year the last couple years. Been shooting pistol, PCC, and shotguns much more.
06-10-16, 13:01
azeriosu85

Looking to settle on the Armalite. Just have to convince my self to pull the trigger on it over a PTR-91 with paddle release :(
06-11-16, 18:39
Ron3

Quote:

Originally Posted by azeriosu85

Looking to settle on the Armalite. Just have to convince my self to pull the trigger on it over a PTR-91 with paddle release :(

Yea, the ptr's are cool and eat steel case, I've had a couple. I don't miss the heavy front end, the heavy trigger, long LOP, or the stiff fire selector.
07-02-16, 00:19
azeriosu85

Bought the DEF10 now i need to find tools to buy to change rails.

Does the magpul BEV and wrench work on AR10's?
07-02-16, 02:08
JC5188

Quote:

Originally Posted by azeriosu85

Bought the DEF10 now i need to find tools to buy to change rails.

Does the magpul BEV and wrench work on AR10's?

Congrats. I took mine to the gunsmith to have a DD put on it, so I'll be no help on the install. :)

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07-05-16, 08:18
misfit47

Congratulations on the Armalite. I have the windham src 308 and really like it. Mine has a lantac dragon, magpul furniture. Next time an armalite comes through the shop I'm grabbing it. You will be pleased I'm sure.