FBI: Chinese Hackers Preparing to Launch Massive Attack on U.S. Infrastructure

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Originally Posted by signal4l

I have never understood our nations policy towards China.

They were a 3rd world nation back in the 70's.

They supplied the North Vietnamese, North Koreans with weapons.

We grant most favored nation status to them. We export our manufacturing base, allow them to counterfeit our goods, hack our computer systems. They import fentanyl and kill our youth. We educate their people on student visas then allow them to comitt industrial espionage when they get jobs at US companies.

We created our own worst enemy.

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The only thing I can offer is they were a 3rd world nation with a nuclear capability. Nixon established relations with China so that we would not be conducting a two front Cold War. Sino-Soviet relations were generally poor but it couldn't be counted upon. But it was Carter who broke a treaty that supported Taiwan and it was Clinton that gave China permanent most-favored-nation trading status.

I though the Soviets were the major backers of N Vietnam? China and Vietnam went to war not long after we left, correct? Not saying that China didn't help the NVA, just that the Soviets and Maoists are more natural enemies than allies, largely based on geography and both being collectivist cults.

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Originally Posted by FromMyColdDeadHand

I though the Soviets were the major backers of N Vietnam? China and Vietnam went to war not long after we left, correct? Not saying that China didn't help the NVA, just that the Soviets and Maoists are more natural enemies than allies, largely based on geography and both being collectivist cults.

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Soviets had a greater capacity, but the Chinese dumped tons of weapons and gear in North Vietnam. And later invaded Vietnam, but also went to war with Russia a few times. It's complicated.

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Originally Posted by SteyrAUG

Soviets had a greater capacity, but the Chinese dumped tons of weapons and gear in North Vietnam. And later invaded Vietnam, but also went to war with Russia a few times. It's complicated.

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Less so than you'd think... much like the Middle East, alliances in Asia are highly situational. Once you remember that it gets easier. :) "Tomorrow's enemy is tomorrow's problem... if I can get him to help beat up today's enemy that makes him less of a problem to move on tomorrow."

Surprised SEATO lasted as long as it did, frankly...

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Originally Posted by FromMyColdDeadHand

I though the Soviets were the major backers of N Vietnam? China and Vietnam went to war not long after we left, correct? Not saying that China didn't help the NVA, just that the Soviets and Maoists are more natural enemies than allies, largely based on geography and both being collectivist cults.

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The Chinese were actively involved in the war. There are numerious examples of troops, be they line infantry, LRRPs, or SF units, finding the bodies of Chinese advisors after an engagement. These were always downplayed by higher brass due to Johnson's phobia of repeating Korea, and Nixon's policies. The Chinese also pushed hundreds of thousands of troops into North Vietnam to serve in rear-echelon roles so the NVA could maximize their manpower in the south. From Wiki:

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In response, People's Liberation Army (PLA) forces began flowing into North Vietnam in July 1965 to help defend Hanoi and its major transportation systems. The total number of Chinese troops in North Vietnam between June 1965 and March 1968 amounted to over 320,000.

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I will never understand why our leaders during the Cold War never had the balls needed to do anything. We had a series of weak presidents when we needed them to be strong. Truman was half-hearted, Ike was desperately afraid of actually building a force capable of doing something and actively stopped those who tried, JFK was a KGB asset, Johnson was a corrupt scumbag with a China phobia, Nixon was all over the place, and Carter had no more backbone than a chocolate eclair.

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Originally Posted by Inkslinger

Sounds like an October surprise to me.

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Maybe the fbi should do some fbi shit. If not, why do we pay them?

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Originally Posted by ddbtoth

Maybe the fbi should do some fbi shit. If not, why do we pay them?

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Problem is, THEY think "doing FBI shit" means "striving for resurrection of Himmler's Gestapo."

Warnings about a massive attack on US infrastructure by the degenerate CCP have been going on for the last year or so that I know of, perhaps longer. The point is, if such an attack were to occur, what would would the current asswipe administration say? "ya shouldn't done that ". What would they do? Issue a stern warning to not do it again ever ever ever? If such a heinous event were to transpire it would be, I'd venture to guess, with the xiden administrations blessing, collusion, maybe even encouragement, depending on what the desired end result would be. Also, the chicom scumbags do depend heavily on the US to maintain their economy, so would they really 'bite the hand that feeds them' as the expression goes?

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Originally Posted by henri

Warnings about a massive attack on US infrastructure by the degenerate CCP have been going on for the last year or so that I know of, perhaps longer. The point is, if such an attack were to occur, what would would the current asswipe administration say? "ya shouldn't done that ". What would they do? Issue a stern warning to not do it again ever ever ever? If such a heinous event were to transpire it would be, I'd venture to guess, with the xiden administrations blessing, collusion, maybe even encouragement, depending on what the desired end result would be. Also, the chicom scumbags do depend heavily on the US to maintain their economy, so would they really 'bite the hand that feeds them' as the expression goes?

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And I would come back to a point I keep tying to make... with their leaders' willingness to use "drown the enemy in our own people's spilled blood" as a FIRST resort, where do you think economic sacrifices are as acceptable expendability? Right now, they think they can rebuild after the storm more easily than we can after decades of tearing down all our factories, steel mills etc and offshoring it all to them. I've been hearing rumblings about backing off on "One Child," which I've long argued to be a warning sign that if it happens it means they're expecting to take HUGE population losses soon and preparing to breed replacements and fight a war of attrition.

A war of attrition with an "unrestricted breeding" China, stipulating this discussion not going nuclear, would be like WWII with us in Japan's shoes in terms of "who can shovel meat into the grinder longer."

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Originally Posted by Coal Dragger

It baffles me that we allow critical infrastructure in this country to have computer systems controlling operations where those computers are online at all. No “air gap” whatsoever. Gotta improve productivity by automation as much as possible.

Security measures consist of lame ass Authenticator Apps, and making employees change passwords all the time. The only thing this accomplishes is ass pain for employees and job security for various IT desks.

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Originally Posted by henri

Warnings about a massive attack on US infrastructure by the degenerate CCP have been going on for the last year or so that I know of, perhaps longer. The point is, if such an attack were to occur, what would would the current asswipe administration say? "ya shouldn't done that ". What would they do? Issue a stern warning to not do it again ever ever ever? If such a heinous event were to transpire it would be, I'd venture to guess, with the xiden administrations blessing, collusion, maybe even encouragement, depending on what the desired end result would be. Also, the chicom scumbags do depend heavily on the US to maintain their economy, so would they really 'bite the hand that feeds them' as the expression goes?

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"DON'T"

"Don't"

"don't..."

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